Karl Rove: Trump Is A “Joke Candidate”


karl-roveKarl Rove thinks Donald Trump is a “joke candidate.” The reason? The Donald’s constant attachment to the whole birther conspiracy that President Obama wasn’t born in the US.

Last night, in an interview with Greta Van Susteren on Fox News Channel, Karl Rove made it abundantly clear that he is distancing himself from Donald Trump because of his ideas and comments. He used words like “weird conspiracy theories,” before calling The Donald a joke candidate.

This comes after a two-part special with Sean Hannity titled “The Trump Interview.”

Here is an excerpt:

VAN SUSTEREN: All right, one quick question on the Donald Trump controversy, since he has grabbed headlines across every network and every newspaper, this whole birther issue that he has raised. I don’t agree with Donald Trump on this. I’ll say it right from the get-go. But does this hurt the Republican Party?
ROVE: Well, it hurts Donald Trump and it removes — he was an interesting candidate who had a business background and could have contributed to the dialogue. But his full embrace of the birther issue means that he’s off there in the nutty right and is now an inconsequential candidate.
I’m shocked. The guy’s smarter than this. And you know, the idea that President Obama was not born in Hawaii, being — you know, making that the centerpiece of his campaign, means that he’s just — you know, now, you know, a joke candidate. Let him go ahead and announce for election on “The Apprentice.” The American people aren’t going to be hiring him, and certainly, the Republicans are not going to be hiring him in the Republican primary.
VAN SUSTEREN: Can he bring himself back?
ROVE: I don’t know. He’s so far out there. The initial part was, he said, Well, I think the president was born in the United States. I acknowledge that. But I don’t understand why he hasn’t put out the birth certificate. Now it is weird conspiracy theories, saying things that people — you know, none of his family knows what hospital he was born in in Hawaii. Wait a minute. Everybody — you know, yes, his family knows know what hospital he was born at. You know, nobody knows him in college? One of my White House deputies was a classmate of Barack Obama’s at Harvard and helped get him elected the Law Review editor.
So you know, this is just — he’s now embraced full-throated the nuttiness that somehow or another, Obama was born in Kenya and his parents and grandparents arranged to have birth — birth notices printed the next day in the Honolulu newspapers so that 40-some-odd years later, he’d be eligible to run for president. It just — you know, I’m sorry to see it happen. He had an opportunity to provide an interesting contribution to the dialogue.

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  1. Karl Rove’s voice is a voice of sanity. He’s absolutely right in his evaluation that Donald Trump’s “full embrace of the birther issue means that he’s off there in the nutty right.” I hope that all of the frum Jews who have jumped on the “birther” bandwagon will take Rove’s words to heart and end their nonsense. They’re just embarrassing themselves — and by association, all frum Jews — with their ‘Obama is a Kenyan-born Muslim who has spent a gazillion dollars fighting to keep his birth certificate secret’ nuttiness. I repeat…it’s embarrassing when frum Jews spout this drivel.

  2. Unterishter shura, why doesn’t Obama just release his birth certificate. Ich mein, yedder einer vos geit oif eppes a government program, kegoin FS (??? ???”?) or HUD or WIC uchedoimeh has to bring shtaroi beyadoi, and for some very odd reason the President, hamemuna al koil ha’programmim sheyeshnoi, doesn’t. Hayesh davar muzar kazeh ba’oilam, etmah?!?

  3. Why are so many people trying to play down the “birther” claim. What is so embarrassing to ask! IS OUR PRESIDENT A BORN USA CITIZEN? What are these proclamations ” I think Obama was born in the USA. If “YES”, show your birth certificate and move on. If “NOT”, why are you trying to hide it from the people. The law states that you have to be BORN IN THE USA, to be eligible to become President. I believe, the issue will not go away. It will hurt Obama 2nd time around. No one wants a president that has a skeleton in his closet. Unless, Obama is using this “birther” issue for his possible benefit, then as it gets close to elections, he will produce his real birth certificate. or not……..

  4. Well, I think he is a Kenyan-born Muslim. But that is not the issue. The issue is will Trump make a good president and the fact is, no, he won’t. He won’t for the same reason that Obama isn’t, and that is that he has no long-term ties to government. Obama was a Senator for a little over a year before he ran. You have to know how to work with Congress. There are actual candidates out there. Governor Huckabee is one. (Not Newt!) Chris Christie is another.

  5. It all depends who else is running. You can’t just write off Trump yet. Palin is the big joke here. She will never get nominated to any party! Good looks alone is not enough to get elected!

  6. One last time, here is the copy of the “Certification of Live Birth” issued by the Honolulu Dept. of Health:


    It has even MORE information on it than does a similar “Certification of Birth” issued by the City of New York, Dept. of Health. I have mine right in front of me to compare (which I sent away for when I needed to renew my passport six years ago).

    Almost every state issues these computer printed certificates, and that is ALL you will get when you request a certified copy of your birth certificate. On the back, it lists the four “security features” which attest to the documents validity, including an engraved border and seal. The press was invited to examine Obama’s certificate and verified that it too has similar security features, including the raised seal. Additionally, Hawaiian state officials (Republicans no less) have TWICE verified that the released certificate is genuine and factually represents the information on the original (long form) Birth Certificate on file with the Dept. of Health.

    And once again, even in New York City, when you requests a certified copy of your birth certificate you NO LONGER GET A COPY OF THE ORIGINAL (years ago you did). You get the same computer generated certificate that Obama got — no more, no less. So everyone who’s screaming: “SHOW YOUR BIRTH CERTIFICATE” are nothing more than hysterical crazies. Obama showed exactly what you and me and every other American-born citizen would get from their Health Department to show. The nut-jobs (as per Karl Rove) just refuse to let it go.

  7. It all depends who else is running. You can’t just write off Trump yet. Palin is the big joke here. She will never get nominated to any party!

  8. Dear Shua Cohen (#8),

    If you call the State of Hawaii Dept. of Vital Records you will find that YES, you can obtain a certified original of your birth certificate.

    Obama is hiding something by not showing his birth certificate to those who (unfortunately) hired him. You have to show your original birth certificate to get a driver’s license or get a job with the government or to get a passport.

    The Constitution, for those who still believe in its relevancy, requires that in order to hold the highest office in the land, the Presidency, one must be a “Natural Citizen”. Interpret that as you may but either way one must show his birth certificate and not just a “certificate of live birth” that anyone can obtain with little proof.

    If Obama were to release his original birth certificate to his employers, the people of the United States then this issue will end. Instead he spends money for lawyers to defend his right not to release his original birth certificate. Why???

    Mr. Obama: Release your Original Birth Certificate NOW !!!

  9. Chazer Fleish (no. 10):

    Even the simplest individual can do an internet search on the subject and discover just how WRONG you are. For example, this is from the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands website [http://hawaii.gov/dhhl/applicants/appforms/applyhhl]:

    “The Department of Hawaiian Home Lands accepts both Certificates of Live Birth [i.e. the long-form] and Certifications of Live Birth because they are OFFICIAL government records documenting an individual’s birth. The Certificate of Live Birth generally has more information…as compared to the Certification of Live Birth which is a computer-generated printout that provides specific details of a person’s birth…The State Department of Health (DOH) NO LONGER ISSUES Certificates of Live Birth [i.e. the ‘long-form’]. When a request is made for a copy of a birth certificate, the DOH issues a Certification of Live Birth.”

    June Watanabe, a journalist for the Honolulu Star-Bulletin decided to take the bull by the horns and research the issue once and for all. Here is here report [http://archives.starbulletin.com/content/20090606_kokua_line]:

    “You can’t obtain a Certificate of Live Birth” anymore. The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo. The department only issues ‘certifications’ of live births, and that is the ‘official birth certificate’ issued by the state of Hawaii, she said. And, it’s only available in electronic form.”

    Finally, birth notices for Barack Obama were published in both the Honolulu Advertiser and the Honolulu Star-Bulletin on August 13 and August 14, 1961, respectively. The Advertiser posted on its web site a screen shot of the announcement taken from its microfilmed archives [http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2008/Nov/09/hawaii811090361V3_b.jpg] noting that such notices were sent to newspapers routinely by the Hawaii Department of Health.

    So, as I said, Obama provided to the media exactly what every citizen gets when they request a certified copy of their birth certificate. It is OFFICIAL and LEGAL. So your demand, “Mr. Obama: Release your Original Birth Certificate NOW!!!–is nonsensical, notwithstanding your insistence, based on ZERO evidence, otherwise.

  10. To Shua Cohen:

    It has nothing to do with NY. We’re talking about Hawaii where it’s (or was) relatively easy to obtain a certificate of live birth without actual proof of birth in the Us, whereas an actual birth certificate they didn’t take you at your word (rather you had to PROVE your birth in Hawaii to actually receive a Hawaii birth certificate).

    Also, last time I checked, snopes isn’t the bible rather is merely a blog that ‘investigates’ urban legends.

    What is Obama hiding? Do you really mean to tell me the president of the US can start wars (Libya) but can’t obtain the original due to their procedures? And spends millions to keep his documents sealed? Claims he was Editor of the Harvard Law Review but we can’t find a single article that he authored?! Give me a break!

    Obama IS the most secretive non transparent president in history. The fact that you resort to calling people crazies proves your insecurity in your argument. You should be the first to want to see the birth certificate to PROVE that we’re ‘merely crazies’.

  11. Brian wrote: “[Obama] claims he was Editor of the Harvard Law Review but we can’t find a single article that he authored?! Give me a break!”

    Give you a break indeed! Here is a NY Times article from 02/06/1990: “The Harvard Law Review, generally considered the most prestigious in the country, elected the first black president in its 104-year history today. The job is considered the highest student position at Harvard Law School. The new president of the Review is Barack Obama, a 28-year-old graduate of Columbia University.”
    You can read the rest of the article here:


    Brian, are you incapable of doing even the simplest of research? And insofar as your parroting the fanciful claim that Obama spent $2 million hiding his birth certificate, read here from the NY Daily News (08/08/2010):

    “‘Birthers,’ generally considered a fringe movement consisting of conspiracy theorists, have been criticized by Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly and CNN’s Anderson Cooper, among others…A birth certificate that surfaced online purporting [that Obama] was born [in Kenya] was later proven to be fake. A ‘news story’ about Obama spending millions to hide his birth certificate was also later shown to be false.”

    As I offered in a previous comment, “birthers” are simply embarrassing. They endlessly parrot one another’s outlandish claims without a scintilla of legitimate supporting evidence.

    In the end, it makes no difference. Obama will finish out his first term and run again, as is his legal right to do so (since every single lawsuit brought by the birthers against Obama has been dismissed as ‘frivolous,’ and the Supreme Court has refused to hear any of the cases. Look it up! I’m not going to do the research for you). Hopefully, he will lose the next election on his administration’s lack of merit, and assuredly clown-Trump won’t be his opponent.

  12. Chazer Fleish:

    You’re citing WND (WorldNetDaily)??? Whatever little credibility you may have had just went completely down the drain.

    WND was founded by Joseph Farah, a rabidly right-wing evangelical Christian. (It’s scary when supposedly frum Jews get into bed with fellows like this). MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann named Farah the “Worst Person in the World” on his show in January 2009, correctly labeling WND is a “lunatic fringe right-wing web site.” Farah earned this honorarium by declaring that he had hired experts who determined that the published Obama “certification of live birth” was a FAKE. The problem was that his very own website published the following statement in August of 2008: “A separate WND investigation into Obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be AUTHENTIC.” Said Olbermann: “That would make Farah of WorldNetDaily not just a bald face liar, but one whose claim was easily disproved by his own website. Well, why do you think they call it the lunatic fringe?” 🙂

    WND was also on the losing side of a libel suit filed by Clark Jones (then a fund raiser for Al Gore). In a settlement statement, WND admitted that “no document has been discovered that provides any verification that the statements written [libeling Mr. Jones) were true.” In other words, WND admitted to fabricating the story.

    Finally, WND was behind the effort to convince the Supreme Court to hear a number of the birther’s lawsuits challenging Obama’s legitimacy as president. As already state, the Supreme Court turned down every request, letting stand the lower court rulings that these were nuisance law suits with no merit.

    So Chazer…give it up already. Every court which has heard the birthers’ cases have dismissed them for the complete lack of any credible evidence. All the evidence goes the other way, leaving you once again to parrot the unsubstantiated nonsense of lunatics and liars.

    But as I’ve stated, it’s all irrelevant. The birthers have gotten nowhere with their nonsense and, hopefully, Mr. Obama will lose the next election due to the lack of merit of his administration.

    Finis. Chag Sameach!


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